tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post7067072202681753499..comments2023-05-15T08:21:23.351-04:00Comments on A WORLD OUT OF MIND- Salvia Divinorum: Core ImplosionSaint Brian the Godlesshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-48102545747508034462018-07-01T19:18:34.809-04:002018-07-01T19:18:34.809-04:00I wish I had more time to read everything here. I...I wish I had more time to read everything here. I have heard of others being able to get past PTSD or addictions by disconnection from the conscious self. If this is so, can you explain how this can be? Mr. Wilson, the founder of the 12 step program was treated in a hospital with a hallucinogenic with the attempt to help him get passed his alcoholism. It seemed to work. Although his experience was very dark and filled with demons. He said not until he pleaded for grace and mercy from God was he able to get out of this trans that lasted for hours.What About Dave?https://www.blogger.com/profile/06235797036978988971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-16058377599674850172016-12-30T22:17:33.131-05:002016-12-30T22:17:33.131-05:00Interesting that it showed you alternate universe ...Interesting that it showed you alternate universe choices as well, in a slightly different way than it typically shows me, but similar enough to some of them that I experience. Same underlying thing, I think, only shown to different people in different ways because each person would perceive something like this in their own way. The similarities are, in that light, still worthwhile and salient.Saint Brian the Godlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-41174381637268211842016-12-30T22:15:39.853-05:002016-12-30T22:15:39.853-05:00Wow...
I still get that sometimes, like it's...Wow... <br /><br />I still get that sometimes, like it's a choice. I just choose not to. I can see where, unprepared, that might cause a panic attack. Salvia is, I think, the most brutal of the entheogens. Science seems to confirm this, since it's the only one (practically) that targets the center of the brain for dysphoria or fear, rather than euphoria or pleasure/happiness. Saint Brian the Godlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-27249186284760384642016-11-23T09:10:00.858-05:002016-11-23T09:10:00.858-05:00My last experience with salvia, about eight or nin...My last experience with salvia, about eight or nine years ago, (when it was still legal in Texas) went like this. I was alone (my first mistake) and unprepared mentally (no meditation...my second mistake). I took an enormous hit from a bong, and held it in as long as I could. Sipping extra breaths of air into my lungs, until they were at capacity. Immediately upon releasing the breath and breathing a fresh lung full of air, I slumped back on my bed with my eyes closed. The next thing that happened I can only describe as feeling my consciousness stretching to a thin filament, and all around me was a star-scape of twinkling lights. In my state of stretched consciousness, I perceived that each point of light was a different reality, and if I chose I could visit any of them. And then, my unprepared mind betrayed me. I thought, if I go to one of these other realities, will my body die? And with that, I slammed back into reality and endured a forty five minute long panic attack. Haven't been able to bring myself to try it again. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03606342200027493537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-43358168392194095742016-10-13T13:40:06.681-04:002016-10-13T13:40:06.681-04:00That's an interesting line of speculation. Cou...That's an interesting line of speculation. Could be. Saint Brian the Godlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-5959411566511562162016-10-06T19:38:55.241-04:002016-10-06T19:38:55.241-04:00I’m not on twitter. I am on Facebook, but I know t...I’m not on twitter. I am on Facebook, but I know that you aren’t. I think an awfully interesting discussion could be had if Burningmouth was enticed to join in as well.<br /><br />In my trawling, I’ve discovered literally dozens of accounts that follow the multiple realities theme. While this is definitely a hallucinogen and everything, perhaps even most things, seen under its influence, cannot be overly trusted, still there seems an underlying ontological theme here that I doubt is a coincidence. Sometimes these accounts are similar to yours with multiple versions of self. Sometimes, as in Burningmouth’s experiences, entire other “worlds” are glimpsed. Sometimes people enter these worlds. There are even accounts of people who feel that they “swapped” into them and never actually came back! Even if all, or some, of this is taken as true, there is the question of whether these other alternatives of ourselves, or these other full blown worlds, are “potential only” in some ontic sense, or are actual, right now, to those who seem to dwell there. It ultimately comes down to the question of whether they continue to exist between observations of the salvia-experiencer. Again, in some of Burningmouth’s accounts, he said they felt potential only, but in other accounts, that they included real, self aware beings. The answer to this doesn’t seem straightforward. There may even be a “missing” interpretation of quantum mechanics in which both are somehow true. Perhaps this is why it is difficult to have communion with these other selves or other beings…because *relative to us* they are only “possibly” or “probably” existent, whereas to themselves they may be as real and actual as we are. Likewise, our world, to them, might be only a “possible” or “probable” world, and I mean this literally. This is big speculation of course, but I am getting a vibe along these lines.<br />panthernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-21558752441478765162016-10-06T14:23:53.901-04:002016-10-06T14:23:53.901-04:00Interesting that you come to that conclusion becau...Interesting that you come to that conclusion because that's the identical one that I am coming to. <br /><br />If you're on twitter hit me up @AWorldOutOfMind I'm Saint Brian. If not let me know and I'll find some way to get you my email. I don't like to publish it online. The Email I have here on the blog is I think defunct now. Saint Brian the Godlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-78069313061386560732016-10-05T15:53:31.651-04:002016-10-05T15:53:31.651-04:00Panther - "I've probably read just about ...Panther - "I've probably read just about every salvia account on the worldwide internet."<br /><br />Hah! I know what you mean. I think I've read every available thread regarding quidding Salvia :-)chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12413534386264328156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-89076672962487824832016-10-03T18:36:47.666-04:002016-10-03T18:36:47.666-04:00Paging BRIAN and BURNINGMOUTH. Are you guys still ...Paging BRIAN and BURNINGMOUTH. Are you guys still communicado? I'd like to talk to you. I can't find any contact details on either of your blogs.<br /><br />I've been looking into this stuff deeply. At this point I've probably read just about every salvia account on the worldwide internet. I don't literally make that claim, of course, but not far off. Alas, legally I can't partake, where I am.<br /><br />I am coming to a very deep suspicion that salvia is aggressively interrupting State Vector Reduction (quantum collapse) somewhere in the brain, and the smoker's consciousness (or experienced world) is launched into superposition. Although it is not formally supposed to be the case that quantum activity occurs in the brain, I think this is probably mistaken and that the subjective evidence, including salvia, is large.panthernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-88842001932257754442016-07-30T16:52:03.325-04:002016-07-30T16:52:03.325-04:00I bet my heartbeat goes down to 35-40 bpm during t...I bet my heartbeat goes down to 35-40 bpm during these experiences. Very slow. I'm so totally relaxed it's amazing.Saint Brian the Godlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-55189352071346264162016-07-30T16:37:41.876-04:002016-07-30T16:37:41.876-04:00So I've been working on further development of...So I've been working on further development of the Heart center so as to be able to 'bear the load' of the rushes of incandescent energy through it.Saint Brian the Godlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-79788690473411428982016-07-30T16:31:59.294-04:002016-07-30T16:31:59.294-04:00It seems that the enormous amounts of energy raise...It seems that the enormous amounts of energy raised on salvia stresses the heart center. It's like perhaps it's a premature development of the Mental/Psychic center, and the heart sometimes struggles to transmit it without stress. Saint Brian the Godlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-29214541354385728442016-07-30T16:25:15.500-04:002016-07-30T16:25:15.500-04:00It's not really "malevolent" so much...It's not really "malevolent" so much as ***pure*** Yang (Male) energy, no Yin at all. As such, it's horrific indeed, worse than merely malevolent. It seems to keep us here in defiance of the Will of the actual Universe, if such can be said to exist. <br /><br />Again, these are strong impressions, not facts of course. But such is what I've sensed. Saint Brian the Godlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-13726006646264215172016-07-30T16:23:26.340-04:002016-07-30T16:23:26.340-04:00I really wonder what that mass of darkness was, I ...I really wonder what that mass of darkness was, I have come across an overpowering dark looming shadow like presence. It's there in a particular kind of form just not visible and there's always that sense of danger, like I need to be on high alert because that thing could eliminate me in a heartbeat.<br />--------------------------------------------------<br />You sensed the Demiurge! It's not the same as the shadow I sensed in this post, it's much larger and malevolent. This shadow seemed to be perhaps 200-300 feet high, not really a mountain, but right next to me it seemed thus. The Demiurge is bigger than our world, but I've seen his face. <br />http://salviaspace.blogspot.com/2013/08/i-recently-ran-across-writings-of-one.htmlSaint Brian the Godlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-46792427326505191622016-07-30T16:20:11.909-04:002016-07-30T16:20:11.909-04:00"it's like the body can stay alive withou..."it's like the body can stay alive without oxygen"<br />This happens to me all the time. Happened last night. I have to remind myself to breathe, like once a minute.Saint Brian the Godlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-3859388858261064662016-07-30T07:14:48.159-04:002016-07-30T07:14:48.159-04:00Very intriguing post Saint Brian, I can't reca...Very intriguing post Saint Brian, I can't recall if I've felt anything like the heart stopping. I have forgotten most experiences I've had with Salvia and would need to go through old posts, maybe there were some things related to the heart. I think your consciousness was so separated from the body that it literally almost died, sorry I know that doesn't sound very pleasant. <br /><br />I really wonder what that mass of darkness was, I have come across an overpowering dark looming shadow like presence. It's there in a particular kind of form just not visible and there's always that sense of danger, like I need to be on high alert because that thing could eliminate me in a heartbeat.<br /><br />One thing that I do recall eventually at some point the breathing completely stopped almost like something else takes control over the different bodily functions but the breathing never stops in a way that I'm having to catch my breath, it's like the body can stay alive without oxygen. <br /><br />I think it was burning mouth who had some experience with pain in the chest which I recall is why he stopped going on these Salvia trips.<br /><br />I agree that inanimate objects do have consciousness, and I feel the consciousness of objects is dependent on human consciousness. I've just had too many experience with this that I'm convinced, with Salvia when I'm in that other state inanimate objects start to make quite a bit of noise. <br /><br />I have several smartphones and when under a lot of stress these technical devices start to misbehave as if picking up on my vibration otherwise they work perfectly fine.<br /><br />There's an article by Elle Collie about communicating with inanimate objects which I will link to later. Her experience has also shown you can communicate with inanimate objects. Mayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10103576616505819790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-63789386230273944432016-07-28T14:21:32.831-04:002016-07-28T14:21:32.831-04:00It's literally practice. Salvia seems to help ...It's literally practice. Salvia seems to help me by presenting many things that I can't properly see or find out if my concentration breaks, or even the opposite, if I concentrate too much. So many times... really getting good at it now, even in real life. Saint Brian the Godlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-858123968486387162016-07-27T19:21:04.332-04:002016-07-27T19:21:04.332-04:00Of course, such thoughts would I think be mathemat...Of course, such thoughts would I think be mathematical, a "sense of six-ness" for Carbon. Highly speculative of course lol.Saint Brian the Godlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-58869322290214787382016-07-27T19:15:11.812-04:002016-07-27T19:15:11.812-04:00Also read the link you sent, similar vein to his o...Also read the link you sent, similar vein to his other quote. I don't think a table gets angry, but perhaps it's atoms and molecules are always thinking "I am carbon, I am cellulose..."Saint Brian the Godlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-9393104609361070152016-07-27T19:11:35.880-04:002016-07-27T19:11:35.880-04:00I think everything might be consciousness. To defi...I think everything might be consciousness. To define further what kind of consciousness I mean, at most basic, everything would have a sense of "I AM" but nothing more. Now, at another level up, perhaps they have a sense of "I am particle" or "I am silicon" or "I am Tree" because the tiniest bits of consciousness seem to always seek to link up with more of their kind and their consciousnesses join to make larger (gestalt) consciousnesses. Atoms make molecules that make enzymes and proteins that make most primitive cell-like structures that combine to make complex cells, that make us, and so forth. We are also combining consciousness now, through the Internet and modern communication, to form a more hive-like communal mind, so once it hits complex organisms like us, it takes a quantum leap, at least so it seems. The Li Hongzhi quote is very similar to what I intuit, yes. Saint Brian the Godlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902151482640409544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-13290681567968180342016-07-27T15:17:26.093-04:002016-07-27T15:17:26.093-04:00Saint Brian,
I remember in some of your blog post...Saint Brian,<br /><br />I remember in some of your blog post you felt that everything in existance, both animate and inanimate is somehow conscious or alive. This is interesting as it correlates to what this post had to say:<br /><br />https://www.reddit.com/r/Salvia/comments/3o23xs/the_curious_case_of_sentient_inanimate_objects/<br /><br /><br /><br />I also have an interesting lecture excerpt to share with you from Master Li Hongzhi ( the founder of Falun Dafa). I think you will find it insightful:<br /><br /><br /><br />“This cosmos is so vast and its structure is so complex. I’ve told you about the composition of dimensions. For example, matter is composed of molecules and even more microscopic particles. The dimension that we know of is also composed of these particles. Today, the particles known to science include molecules, atoms, neutrons, atomic nuclei, and electrons; and then there are quarks and neutrinos. What’s further down is unknown to today’s science. So what I’ve said is that the realm of each level of these particles is what we call the plane of that level. Actually, particles aren’t distributed on a plane; instead, within a given level, they exist everywhere—not on a plane.<br /><br />Humankind doesn’t have a term for it, so we’ll just call it a plane; this is the only way we can describe it. Right within that realm—within that layer of particles’ realm—a dimension is formed. Between particles are dimensions, and inside particles themselves are also dimensions. Yet particles can also make up particles of different sizes. Then, among the particles of different sizes that are composed of one particular particle are again dimensions. This is the concept of dimensions that I explained to you last time.<br /><br />I’ve always said that between atoms and molecules is a vast dimension. We humans live between the layer of the largest particles made up of molecules, and planets that we see, which are a layer of particles. Humans live in that dimension. A planet is also a particle. Going further, the Milky Way galaxy also has an outer shell. Might the Milky Way galaxy and the countless other galaxies spread throughout the cosmos form a dimension? They’re also interrelated.<br /><br />Then beyond the galaxies, there is still another cosmic expanse—then is this cosmic expanse a layer of particles? It sure is a layer of particles. The cosmos is incredibly vast—there’s simply no way to describe how vast it is. Furthermore, three thousand universes like the one we inhabit make up a larger layer of universe, which has an outer shell and is a particle of a universe of an even larger layer. Yet the particles I just talked about was expanding from just one point. As a matter of fact, particles of each layer are spread throughout the entire cosmos.<br /><br />Yet even what I just described are only two layers of universes and you already find it mind-boggling. In fact, the future humankind’s science won’t be able to know this, either—humankind will never be able to know things that high-level. Even with the extent we discussed to, that layer of particles is but a speck of dust—a tiny speck of dust—in this vast cosmos. Think about how enormous this cosmos is!”Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09811801217830237208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-43360439016336342432016-07-25T18:38:38.069-04:002016-07-25T18:38:38.069-04:00I do try that. And on some occasions there is a st...I do try that. And on some occasions there is a strong (subjective) sense of "faith" or "confidence"...while on other occasions there is a (subjective) sense of interfering doubt. Without immediate actual feedback of some kind, it's hard. I've certainly had a storm of synchronicities, as previously mentioned, but most of them seem maddeningly unrelated to the major intents, which is difficult to process. Also without feedback, it starts to develop a compulsive obsessive component...in other words, I start to doubt even that I can't doubt, if you see what I mean. I try to squeeze down this kind of thinking or feeling as best I can, but it seems to leak round the edges.panthernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-32507366014369424752016-07-25T18:32:49.558-04:002016-07-25T18:32:49.558-04:00There does seem to be a link between all these thi...There does seem to be a link between all these things...your salvia outcomes (well, some of them), practice of what is called Magick, and attempts to induce PK or similar efforts.<br /><br />It could all be described as 1) Form and visualize an intent. 2)Hold such an intent in an altered state as best you can. 3) Release said intent so that "forces or influences" not of the ego actually have a chance to execute it. 2 and 3 seem no easy matter.panthernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-80872638063001050842016-07-25T18:29:24.664-04:002016-07-25T18:29:24.664-04:00I like that story, though in my case I was only us...I like that story, though in my case I was only using the house thing as an example. "A stone from the yard" would be problematic.panthernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-818337194000369798.post-62855267036980660612016-07-25T18:27:34.330-04:002016-07-25T18:27:34.330-04:00This is one reason why suppression of psychedelics...This is one reason why suppression of psychedelics makes me so mad. It's a kind of crime against humanity, nothing less. There should be a sort of license for adults, at the very most, or age coded allowance.panthernoreply@blogger.com