NOTE: Next-Day Commentary (no longer under the influence of salvia) at end of report.
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Okay
All we are is living memory
not in a being's mind, we're just a living memory
a living thought
our surroundings made of memory
beings aren't really real, anyhow
bodies aren't real
it's all interplay of consciousness
it let me see it, it was beyond doubt
we are all the thoughts and memories of a mind
which self-creates and evolves
we, its own parts, do the creating
as we seek to experience, we create the experiences in the mind
the start, suns, the planet, none of this is real
it is here for us to play with, it is all play, our body
none of you are alive
the fact that there is more than one person in existence is a myth
We/I believe it though
Vehemently.
we are making memories of things, but they're not really happening, for things are not real
the things are part of what we see
when we look, we see
we expect to find, so we do
we expect order so it's there
We expect it to be consistent so it is
(the computer I'm typing this on keeps glitching, space isn't right)
it doesn't want me to type this
but I am a part of it that does so I will
all IS MIND
Not in the sense of our minds, they are just self-aware wrinkles in the larger mind, which is more like we'd think of as a memory bank perhaps
we are made of its body and we are its body
I am me believing that I am me and I am you believing that I am you
all that separates us is doubt.
Belief is the creator and doubt the destroyer
any self-awareness that it has depends on our self-awareness
on what we perceive
for we are it
yet it doesn't feel like god to me
perhaps because I do not want it to
but it has answered my request
and let me take the knowledge back
or rather, I did
I felt my body pared away
my limbs and fingers like hollow straws, then mere concepts
we are all of us looking at ourselves and being what we think we are
that is what we are
I am it, it is me, but I am a tiny part of it, while it is not contained in me
Doubt begins to set in, but doubt is the dream-killer
Doubt prevents seeing but knowing what you see requires doubt
it's all interplay of one thing divided into two and then more and more and more
The feedback loops are everywhere
surely all of this is mathematical
or is that merely what we've created when we look at it, seeking understanding
seeking to understand it, we have created it
all is empty, but empty is the only real thing
empty conforms to what we need it to be
it doesn't know
it isn't a mind like our minds are
we are its body
we are it
so we see what we seek
and all rules are broken if we wait long enough
for it's not constant
it oscillates, light and dark, good and bad
tomorrow the moon may not be real
if enough come to believe such
all is fluid
I don't like this
but solid is an illusion
our bodies are illusions
we have no bodies
it's all a play
whatever you think reality is
it's more basic than that
and that's why the concept eludes us
I can see it so clearly
to define it enough to write it down in words is not easy
All we thought was real, our bodies even, is not.
Death is an illusion, but don't let that make you too happy, for so is life
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Next Day Commentary, No Longer Under Influence:
Please note that I still do not BELIEVE this. The interesting thing is though, when you are having these experiences, there can be no doubt. The doubt, at least for me, happens later, when I'm no longer under the influence of the substance. These are the same kind of things that mystics the world over have said about reality, and Buddhist Monks for that matter. Vedanta speaks of similar as well. So, for that matter, has Deepak Choprah. (Ugh.)
So many, many people have come to this same (or very similar) conclusion. Why?
Many would say that it's because it's true, and maybe somehow it is. However, I also think that could this be us simply experiencing our own mind, or maybe better to say a part of our own mind that we do not normally have much conscious experience of; the part of our mind that dreams up the "hallucination" that we all experience as regular life. The constructed hallucination that is based on our sensory input. Just because we construct an hallucination of the world does not mean that the world is not real. It may simply be the only way that we can experience a real world, through constructing an hallucination, an imaginary but consistent image of what our senses are telling our brain is "out there."
So once again, no way to prove it, which means I cannot believe in it. I'm either retaining my sanity or dissing God, or both.
ADDENDUM:
Read or see more about our brains hallucinating our reality:
https://www.ted.com/talks/anil_seth_how_your_brain_hallucinates_your_conscious_reality
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2128725-a-guide-to-why-your-world-is-a-hallucination/
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/08/08/neuroscientist-shares-how-your-brain-hallucinates-to-create-reality/
https://www.bigquestionsonline.com/2017/09/06/perception-controlled-hallucination/
Seeing the Unseeable, Describing the Indescribable, Effing the Ineffable...
This is A WORLD OUT OF MIND, my Online Journal where I explore Consciousness and the Ultimate Nature of Reality by the intentional alteration of my own belief structures, using Salvia Divinorum and additional self-altering meditational techniques drawn from Western Ceremonial Magic.
I always attempt to adhere to the scientific method as much as possible in my explorations, and while I often speak of these experiences as if I knew they were Truth, I always consider the alternative, that it is merely self-deception on my part, and think accordingly. Thus I maintain two parallel world views at once, one aspirational and one a safe fallback into standard materialism.
The more I journey into salviaspace, the more I think the former worldview is the correct one, but there is no objective way to prove that to the world, so I'll let you, the reader, decide for yourselves.
-Saint Brian the Godless
Follow me on Twitter @AWorldOutOfMind
I always attempt to adhere to the scientific method as much as possible in my explorations, and while I often speak of these experiences as if I knew they were Truth, I always consider the alternative, that it is merely self-deception on my part, and think accordingly. Thus I maintain two parallel world views at once, one aspirational and one a safe fallback into standard materialism.
The more I journey into salviaspace, the more I think the former worldview is the correct one, but there is no objective way to prove that to the world, so I'll let you, the reader, decide for yourselves.
-Saint Brian the Godless
Follow me on Twitter @AWorldOutOfMind
This is how many of my salvia trips have played out, discovering the illusory nature of reality which includes myself. Then back to the reality I am accustomed to, it’s business as usual.
ReplyDeleteThe mind is heavily conditioned, with a series of memories. I also believe that we have memories pertaining to ancient history. Basically everything that has ever happened in all times since the conception of the human race and creation in general is locked in our brain cells. But for all I know it’s just more make believe stuff. Just something I wish I had more time to delve into.
I constantly try to validate my experiences on salvia but it seems to be a matter of perception, either we see the unreal nature of reality or we see the part that makes it real. I think salvia breaks through this conditioning which gives us a different perception of reality and the more salvia breaks through our conditioning the more unbelievable the fact remains especially when the mind is rapidly returning to that same conditioning.
If you were to consistently have that perception which Salvia induces without any breaks you would have no choice but to believe it. It would be a way of life.
It doesn’t take long to transition back to the “ordinary” sense of perception from the salvia induced state where you feel all things solid to be real because our conditioning is that powerful.
Yes, I'm really sensing, I think accurately, that my life and even my own body, are illusions. However, I don't see any "proof" that the outside world does not exist. It seems to be "out there" alright. Maybe not in the form that we see and sense it, but it's there. So the question is, is the real world also an illusion, or is creating an illusion just the only way that we can perceive reality?
ReplyDeleteI keep getting evidence that the real world, while it does exist, also interacts with our minds in some way, and that should not be possible. So there's that, too. The synchronicities. The way that my visions seem to affect real things in the real world so often. So there's that, too.
ReplyDeleteHi ,
DeleteI prefer to talk in Privately . Would you entertain ?
Why not here? You're anonymous, and it's not like a million people read this blog?
DeleteWho is this "I" you keep talking about?
ReplyDelete"it's not like a million people read this blog?"
ReplyDeleteI would certainly drop by more often if there were more entries to read ;)
The patient keeps dying on the operating table...
(ps: I am not 'anonymous')
It's not that I am having no experiences to write about, but nothing definitive, and it's harder to focus on this while I'm distracted with other parts of my life. I feel bad that I cannot write more here. You make me want to try harder.
ReplyDeleteRecently I've been experiencing visions where I narrow myself down to two superimposed bodies, and feel what it's like to move one of them slightly different on purpose to the other one, an actual sense of friction of some kind... very strange sensation. Especially in two superimposed brains, physically coming into ephemeral contact somehow, and two minds, senses of "me" in my head, superimposed but again I can move one against the other and feel them moving through each other.
I will try to post here more often, politics tends to distract me too much.
I've read nearly everything on here.
ReplyDeleteYou're on the right track.
They're all the right track.
Everything ultimately leads to one.
Time is a fractal.
Dna is the code.
I think you'll really appreciate this
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/huntley/huntley_fractalmatrix.htm#Contents
I would like to hear more, if you can please hit me up on twitter, or I'll check back here again for a response. Yes, that is interesting, and dense... hard to grasp which makes me force myself to try harder.
ReplyDeleteDuring the experience referenced in this blog post, did you always retain a sense of "I" during the session? It sounds like you experienced *almost* everything the people who use 5-meo to get the non-dual stage experience, except I didn't see you say that you experienced being EVERYTHING at any point. Just that you saw it.
ReplyDeleteI've finally had my initiation into the 5-meo experience, but in my first session I was unable to keep awareness as my ego dissolved. There is a black-box/whiteout period there. I 'woke up' in the middle of my ego reforming while I was wailing at the top of my lungs in the most intensely energetic experience I've ever had.
Supposedly with repeated exposure (and maybe less dosage), one can keep awareness as the ego dissolves, through the non-dual stage, and as the ego reforms.
My current guess is that once one can *experience* that non-duality, and bring it back to some degree, then the post-trip doubt that always sets in post-salvia may be eliminated.
But I think it probably takes that full experience of being *EVERYTHING* to do it.
I'll report back later after further sessions. Have to let this first one integrate for a while though...
I experienced being everything then, and not only that, I commonly experience being everything, in a whole variety of different ways. It's a very common experience at this point for me. I want to believe it. It's strong. But I can also see how I could be mistaken.
ReplyDeleteI have such strong sensations/feelings/visions/etc of "being everything" that it tempts me to believe in solipsism. Not joking. Then again, if there's "The One" or The All or an Overmind or whatever, that's a Unitary Consciousness and then "I" would literally be the same "thing" as everything else. One mind, similar to solipsism but less apt to drive me insane, so I tend to think that's the right answer. Or I'm all wet completely, always an option.
ReplyDeleteHey Brian!
ReplyDeleteJust your annual check in to prod you into keeping things alive!
Any more stuff with the dog? (if you know what I mean?)
...or anything else interesting, really?
Sorry I haven't written. This new year I plan to get back to this blog, with a shift on focus. Still some on salvia trips but more on what I think all this might mean, with speculations on nature of reality.
ReplyDeleteI've been fighting depression, I guess. The Trump thing. Hard to want to do anything but fight against him.
Worst of all I keep getting strong indications that I've created this reality that fly in the face of everything I think I know. As in, this is my distraction from something awful. Not sure what that means.
Of course, I can try to assure you that I *know* that I am conscious, and I have the same doubt about anyone else (including you) existing as you probably have about me existing. That point of view therefore seems to me problematic in some sense, unless we are ALL somehow living in individual reality frames, and collectivity is an illusion...
ReplyDeleteI'm sharing that opinion, yes. Seems so.
DeleteGreetings, Brian. I had a very similar Salvia experience to yours nearly 9 years ago in January of 2011, after which I also became an "accidental shaman" of sorts. I'm just starting to read your Armchair Philosophy book and, with each turn of the page, my mind is being blown by the amazing synchronicities and parallels between our observations and journeys!
DeleteAt this point, I want to ask you about something re: Trump and politics. It's pretty clear to me by now that this reality is some kind of dream/illusion that at times appears to somehow reflect or respond to my inner thoughts and feelings. Do you ever feel as though you may have somehow "created" Trump? An odd question, I know. But maybe not too odd for you, lol.
If you, I or the collective mind have not outright created him, doesn't he at least seem a lot like a character to you? Like not an actual genuine person? More like an actor playing a role? Remember that he was a literal reality TV star who also participated in professional wrestling alongside Vince McMahon and Stone Cold Steve Austin. If he is playing a role, it seems his purpose may be to agitate us and create division.
Maybe your hunch is right and he IS a "distraction," as is ALL of politics and the drama playing out on the world stage. I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on all of this. Cheers!
Interesting. I've tried contacting several other people who broke through on Salvia and realized this reality is a dream/game and none have gotten back to me, lol. Guess I'm on my own then. Maybe that's just part of the challenge of this game.
DeleteHello Apoc Shaker,
DeleteI thought I'd chime in seeing as all the other salvianauts are busy with distractions
Much of what St Brian has shared is similar to the experiences found in the Sanskrit religious texts the Upanishads, pretty long read though.
From personal experience - Yes we did collectively somehow create Trump and when you realise everything within this reality is an extension of yourself it comes as a shock
The question then becomes why do we create such horrors?
I'm still recovering from the shock - funnily enough the distractions help
Hi, Maya. Sorry it took me so long to reply. I imagine this "Trump" character has taken over the world stage spotlight in order to teach us some kind of lesson or create some kind of reaction/effect in us. Maybe to trigger and test us? Get us to ask ourselves some deep questions? Perhaps even show us how politics is really all a fake scripted performance seeing as he was literally the star of a reality tv show and appeared in the WWE pro wrestling ring prior to his presidency?
DeleteI have it mapped out in my head. Everything that can possibly happen, exists in a potential state because the math exists for it already, it's like a path we can take, among many such paths that occur every moment; all are equally real before we seem to select one.
ReplyDeleteI see I missed a few new comments here! Hello Apoc. I do not check this regularly for comments, sorry!
ReplyDeleteI have had all those thoughts regarding Trump. Yes. He is more like an NPC (non-player character, or AI character) in a comp game.
He's too ridiculous to believe, he screams computer generated caricature of awful person.
So what is your take on the NPC theory? Are we really surrounded by background characters that are bound to the matrix virtual reality dream world that our consciousnesses are only visiting/playing? And that's why everything is so super-serious to everyone else while some of us see all of this drama as some kind of a joke or even outright fake?
DeleteI'll check back to see if you or Maya wish to talk.
ReplyDeleteI am on Twitter, as @AWorldOutOfMind so let me know there, if you can, when either of you want me to get back to you here. I'll see it right away, pretty much.
ReplyDeleteApoc, I'd really love to talk to you. I too have had trouble connecting with others like myself.
ReplyDeleteHey Apoc, I tried to get a copy of SummerOfSalvia's book Armchair Philosophy, but it looks like their newsletter is no longer functional. I'm wondering if you might be able to send me a copy of it since it was free? Perhaps you could contact me on twitter at @kartingpilot?
ReplyDeleteI too feel like this waking consciousness is a dream world of the salvia consciousness.
I often wonder if the salvia awareness is our deep sleep awareness (as opposed to waking or dreaming consciousness).
Hi, Chris. I can't remember exactly the way I read it through Amazon but I don't think I actually have a file I can send you, unfortunately. I'll look into it some more, though.
DeleteAnd yeah, I think salvia somehow dissolves the dream state to where we can suddenly find ourselves "waking up" in our "base reality" beds or somewhere in between (salviaspace). I'm certainly no expert. I only smoked extract once and plain leaf twice after that, but I feel that I did totally wake up in that other place on that first breakthough experience on extract. That was really all I needed to convince me of what is really going on here. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions and filling in the blanks. Maybe even a little wishful (albeit simultaneously horrific) thinking? I don't know. Well, actually, I do know. I mean, I think I know?? Do you?
LOL, I just discovered your name is Chris Wright. My name also happens to be Chris. So I guess you just answered me synchronistically. And it turns out I'm right!
DeleteA very good possibility
ReplyDeleteI guess I missed you both... hope to catch you here sometime again.
ReplyDeleteStill checking back periodically
ReplyDeleteHi, Jason. Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. It's weird because I feel like something was holding me back, forcing me to wait until I had some things sorted out and brought into alignment. Lol, I wrote my previous comment shortly before Coronamania hit the world stage and now we're living in an almost totally different reality that doesn't exactly seem sustainable for the long haul yet threatens to be just that. Where is this all going? Does this dream/illusion/game have some sort of prewritten script and is this a major part of it, possibly even the final act? It really does remind me of that instant I broke through on salvia and remembered that this life was an illusion and everything I ever knew crumbled like the fading landscape of a dream. I felt simultaneously relieved and horribly disappointed. And if we are somehow reaching "the end" here, I'm struggling between those same polarized feelings. But I think this "sorting out" I've been going through has been stripping away some of the disappointment and helping me become less attached to the world. Am I just being overdramatic here with this "End Times" talk? WTF do you think is going on from your perspective?
DeleteIf you guys ever come back, do you know any places that sell salvia now? It seems most are closed down.
ReplyDeleteThe last place I got mine was from arenaethnobotanicals.com in san diego. This was about a year ago, and they were pretty slow. They were only accepting check/money order/cash then, and it appears the same now. I sent a check, and then didn't hear from them for over a month I think. When I tried to call, nobody answered, and when I emailed, I did not receive any responses. But I did end up receiving the package after about 6 weeks if I recall correctly. If you find someone else reliable, please post!
DeleteAlso just FYI - I still check here almost daily just to quickly see if anyone comes by to renew conversations. I was pretty surprised to see the recent activity. I'd love to see a new post if you've had any new experiences worth writing up. Take care.
DeleteI honestly have no interest in ever trying salvia again. Smoked extract once and plain leaf twice, had my experiences and that was enough for me. I think the salvia experience was a window of opportunity that was meant to pass and close. Interesting how that infamous Miley Cyrus video in December of 2010 opened up a sort of portal to the masses. I had my first experience a month later in January of 2011. I think everyone who was supposed to learn what salvia teaches now knows and its purpose has been fulfilled. Call it self-centered but that's how I see it.
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