This is A WORLD OUT OF MIND, my Online Journal where I explore Consciousness and the Ultimate Nature of Reality by the intentional alteration of my own belief structures, using Salvia Divinorum and additional self-altering meditational techniques drawn from Western Ceremonial Magic.

I always attempt to adhere to the scientific method as much as possible in my explorations, and while I often speak of these experiences as if I knew they were Truth, I always consider the alternative, that it is merely self-deception on my part, and think accordingly. Thus I maintain two parallel world views at once, one aspirational and one a safe fallback into standard materialism.

The more I journey into salviaspace, the more I think the former worldview is the correct one, but there is no objective way to prove that to the world, so I'll let you, the reader, decide for yourselves.

-Saint Brian the Godless

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Saturday, October 19, 2013

A Dream Within A Dream?

Last night I had a long experience which involved feeling my body passing through membranes that were the borders of universes. At least that's what it felt like. At one point I felt my face pressed up against a sheet that flexed like rubber, a clear and vivid sensation of a border between spaces that are not visible or possible to sense in a normal state of mind. Then I also sensed the 'texture' of reality itself, as if it were composed of this flexible, almost gelatinous substance that takes on any form that we want it to.

All of which can of course be merely an illusion, my mind interpreting hallucinations in a believable way. That would be the right answer for a rationalist to reach.

However, this is the part that puzzles me, the part that doesn't fit into that rationalist's box:

At the end of it all, as often happens, I felt the space around me distorting, a visible distortion of the room around me, a twisting, a flexing of space itself, or so it seemed. It progressed through me and I saw it getting larger, more pronounced, and then I heard a series of panicked grunts.

My dog, resting on the bed a few feet away from me, saw it too. I mean, there can be no doubt. I was paying attention to the 'field' of distortion, and saw it moving toward the dog, and fully expected him to react (which he has many times in the past, as chronicled here on this blog) and he did not disappoint. He rolled his eyes in near-panic, and made those grunting noises as the 'field' approached him. I know my dog. He was clearly afraid. And he was also clearly not looking at me, but at the distortion that I too could see. He even moved back as the edge of the 'field' approached him.

I've been looking at this wrong, I think. I keep putting it in terms of 'universes' and 'multiple realities', insisting to myself that it must somehow fit into the paradigm of what science has decided is real or at least hypothetically real, but lately I'm coming around to the idea that all of that is just illusory, all of science is just illusory, all of human knowledge is just illusory. Oh, it works just fine when applied in our particular communal dream world where we've agreed on the rules, but it's useless in even attempting to describe the deeper nature of reality because it is rooted in our *belief* of how things work rather than how they actually work. The scientific mind-set is still of great value, but the data and all that prior experience is not of much use at all outside our little box, and will merely serve to further deceive us in most cases.

This is a dream, a consensual, communal dream, and so all that other stuff that we like to assign to it is ultimately false in the larger picture. Science, that enormous edifice of knowledge, that pyramid of observations and data and experimental results and advanced theories, is something truly beautiful that we have built, and we should be proud of it. However it is I think something that we have also created, hewn out of the infinitely malleable "substance" of this particular reality. We have built upon what has gone before, layer by layer, and then decided that it is true, 'proven' that it must be true, and so it becomes true to us. However, this is still Maya causing us to deceive ourselves, only on a global, long-term level.

Maya deceives, and what's left after all the deception? The deceiver itself. Maya. Reality is deception by nature, for the simple reason that it gives us what we are expecting it to, every time, and at all levels of examination, from the smallest to the largest. Given that, we cannot help but deceive ourselves.

Even perhaps while on salvia. One must be careful to not be too quick to accept anything to be true on first blush.

The idea of me sensing different universes is all well and good, but how does the dog see them too? That's the sticking point. I'm the one on salvia. Logically, he should not be able to sense anything, even if hypothetically I am actually sensing what it seems that I am sensing.

So I asked myself, what *would* the dog be able to sense? What kind of disturbance could I hypothetically create in my room that a dog can see, just by me seeing it?

If I see the borders of universes or distortions in space because I have sufficiently altered my senses and changed my perceptions of reality so that I can see them, that's me seeing them. Good for me. However, the dog would not see them, because he doesn't normally see them when I'm not seeing them, or at least it certainly doesn't appear that he ever does. My being able to see them does not in any way translate to my dog also being able to see them. So perhaps that's not what they are.

What can they be? What would the dog sense as well? Only one possible answer as far as I can see.

Distortions in the communal dream itself.

If we all co-create reality, it logically follows that if one of us suddenly alters their expectations of said reality on such a basic level that it alters their contribution to the dream itself, produces a "ripple" in the communal dream, a subtle distortion of the gestalt experience, that would be the kind of thing that hypothetically a dog might be able to see or at least sense. Or a sleeping person, like all those times that my sleeping wife reacted to it as well.

If these things were actually multiple universes, or distortions in space, how could me seeing them on salvia possibly cause my dog to see them too?

Not possible. Not even remotely possible.

However, if this is all a communal dreamlike state in which we, all observers, even animals, contribute to the "final product", then a sufficient alteration of my contribution to the experience might hypothetically distort the communal experience enough for another being to sense something amiss.

This is what I'm coming to. All the quantum physics research that points to multiple realities is a blind alley, or perhaps at best a shadow of the truth cast upon the wall of our dogged insistence upon a belief that all is and must be as it appears to be. It's just what happens when we look at the dream closely enough, in enough detail. Reality, which it so say the Dream of Reality, is merely giving us what we expect it to in that context: Apparent possible explanations for the inexplicable. That's why they make little sense to us. Because we're trying to define and examine a reality that isn't there, and the dream of reality is allowing us to find things that seem to explain it.

But that's all just us trying to define the box from inside it. Not gonna happen.

If we always get what we expect to find in some way, then the only way to see the truth is to realize that they truth is merely that we always get what we expect to find, and knowing that, one can deduce that the true nature of reality is just that and that alone, no other frills attached.

That's it. We're done here. No need to go further into it. It really is just that simple.

127 comments:

  1. This might be your best report yet. I just woke up, and I have to put in my daily four mile walk, before responding in detail. This post would be a good initial thread by you at entheogen.com. The site is dying a slow death, but it would be cool to get some different viewpoints. I'll be back with a more in depth response.

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  2. Thank you. You might want to re-read it, because I did some last minute editing and additions just now and hadn't seen that you'd posted a reply already.

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  3. Incidentally I just went to entheogen.com and the page that I found there was an advertisement for the domain name. As in, I think your 'slow death' there has already culminated in the expected result.

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  4. Oh, shit. I gave you the wrong address. entheogen-network.com

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    "Last night I had a long experience which involved feeling my body passing through membranes that were the borders of universes. At least that's what it felt like. At one point I felt my face pressed up against a sheet that flexed like rubber, a clear and vivid sensation of a border between spaces that are not visible or possible to sense in a normal state of mind. Then I also sensed the 'texture' of reality itself, as if it were composed of this flexible, almost gelatinous substance that takes on any form that we want it to. "
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    OK. I see the same thing, which proves that salvia shows different people the same effect. Of course, there are many other effects that aren't related to parallel worlds and membranes. (further comments coming)

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    "All of which can of course be merely an illusion, my mind interpreting hallucinations in a believable way. That would be the right answer for a rationalist to reach. "
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    Or a delusion ( as neurologists would say)

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    "My dog, resting on the bed a few feet away from me, saw it too. I mean, there can be no doubt. I was paying attention to the 'field' of distortion, and saw it moving toward the dog, and fully expected him to react (which he has many times in the past, as chronicled here on this blog) and he did not disappoint. He rolled his eyes in near-panic, and made those grunting noises as the 'field' approached him. I know my dog. He was clearly afraid. And he was also clearly not looking at me, but at the distortion that I too could see. He even moved back as the edge of the 'field' approached him."
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    At first I had a hard time believing this bit about your dog, but since you keep persisting with this theme, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Actually, you might consider revamping your blog by incorporating your dog more (maybe include a picture). This sounds like sarcasm, but I'm being serious.

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    1. Not a bad idea, I suppose.
      The dog thing is real. I wanted to doubt it, and did for a while. I mean, it had to be a coincidence, right? But over and over again, I see it happen. Also, I see (and sense) the "field" of distortion.... it's what I used to call the green light, but it varies now, greenish to white to even bluish. It may have to do with whatever ambient lighting I happen to have on in the room at the time. Still, usually greenish. So if you can imagine for a moment, there I am sitting, eyes open, I see the expanding light/distortion of space, it moves into the room and expands... I can clearly see the "wavefront" of it, the leading edge of it... so I see that glow move across the room, I feel it interpenetrate my body, feel the distortion in my body, and see it (the field edge) start to get near the dog... and the dog always reacts at the same point, more or less... usually at the exact moment that the field touches it, or just before. Never after.

      Also, I should mention that I've noticed a similar phenomenon. When I meditate afterwards I have this particular meditation that I try to do, which is to see my energy centers, especially my "crown" which I see as a bright light above my head... I can also feel it... and another center at the base of my spine. (I used to discount the idea of chakras but on salvia, hell, there they are) and try to increase the energy flow down my spine, or up my spine. Only I've never, ever finished it. My four year old son in the next room always starts to wake up (I hear him stir on the monitor), or my wife will make noises, or the dog (again) will make noises or wake up and walk around on the bed... Over time I've noticed that *something* always happens so that I don't get to finish.
      Remember that I've had hallucinations all my life, since I was seven. So maybe I'm different than most that trip on salvia. I don't know, but I have to admit that this constitutes subjective proof (to me) that something is going on here. I know how unlikely it seems.

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    2. I, along with others, sometimes get the palpable feeling of pins and needles on our skin while tripping. I wonder if your dog could get that prickly feeling. If I was a dog, that would freak me out.

      Chakras, hunh? A lot of people claim chakras exist. I guess you are one of the lucky ones who can experience them.

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    3. Don't even know they exist, just that I experience them... as in, maybe I just made them up in my head and the salvia provided the energy to make them real to me.

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    "I've been looking at this wrong, I think. I keep putting it in terms of 'universes' and 'multiple realities', insisting to myself that it must somehow fit into the paradigm of what science has decided is real or at least hypothetically real, but lately I'm coming around to the idea that all of that is just illusory, all of science is just illusory, all of human knowledge is just illusory."
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    My view is science can go fuck itself. I see parallel worlds when I'm tripping, and I don't give a goddamn what the quantum physicists believe. I report what I actually see. That's all I can do. Anything else would be disingenuous.

    You say science is illusory. It well may be illusory, but science gave us the computer, and air conditioning and medicine. Illusory paradigms can have beneficial results.

    Parallel worlds may be illusory in the same way that the polio vaccine is illusory, but there might be something very beneficial to mankind concerning parallel worlds.

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    1. I said 'parallel universes.' As in, the way that science describes the possibility. I still think that there are parallel worlds, but they're just OTHER DREAMS like ours is. Or maybe different, but not made of real matter.... all dreams like ours is. Possibly an infinite number of them. No reason why there can't be.

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    2. I can accept that parallel worlds are a form of dreams or perhaps a form of consciousness. Let's say that parallel worlds are part of the Dream's structure. If so, then at least we can begin to map out the Communal Dream. Of course, parallel worlds are not made of real matter. Their composition is out of our (conceptual) world. If your theory is right, then different dreams within the Communal Dream need to interact. How do they interact? Maybe they interact through parallel worlds. The reason why I bringing up parallel worlds is because salvia has printed the parallel world concept into my brain. I'm stuck on parallel worlds. That's why we need more input from other sources.

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    "This is a dream, a consensual, communal dream."
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    OK. There's a guy on entheogen-network.com who believes "this is all numbers, a consensual, communal system of integers."

    My question is: What can this knowledge that it's all a dream mean to the average guy? If it's all Maya, then we are Maya. Doesn't this lead to nihilism? The Buddhists veer off from nihilism by promoting 'emptiness'; but emptiness is so subtle that only a hand full of meditaters can ever really understand it.

    I just don't understand what the big pay-off is to accepting the idea that it's all a dream.
    With parallel worlds, the big pay-off is moving from a one world idea of reality to a multiple world idea of reality. (multiple worlds as a concept far more revealing than what stuffy quantum physicists can theorize)

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    1. If it's all Maya, then we are Maya.
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      No. If it's all Maya, then our *bodies* are Maya. Not our minds. Definitely not our minds.

      Have you ever done magic? As in, ceremonial magic? I have. It works. The less that you come to doubt in it, the more it works. The hard part is to eliminate doubt. The 'ceremony' part is just play-acting with props, to convince yourself that it will work, to eliminate the doubt. You choose props that have meaning to you. As an atheist it's hard to find such things, but since I was raised in the Judeochristian traditions, I can borrow their props, such as angels, the hebrew alphabet, Kaballah, the traditional tools of magic (cup, wand, sword or knife, and pentacle or shield) and utilize the elements as well for symbolism. It's an active form of autohypnosis, to get you to believe that the result will happen. If you get the time, go to my Saint Brian's Chronicles blog and look at the right hand side of the page for a picture of a baby and the title "My son the manifestation." I did that with ritual magic. So knowing it's a communal dream permits one to alter the course of things in the 'material' world by convincing yourself that they will alter. (Again, very far-out sounding, I realize, but this was one of the steps that I took in my life that brought me to where I am now, seeing my dog react to one of my visions.)

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    2. Um, forgot to mention the obvious, you have to click on the picture to read the article...

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    3. Wait a minute. "Magic"? I'm barely over the dog thing, and now you're introducing magic. I need a drink. Do you have anything in a toad broth?

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    4. It's not as far-out as it sounds. I'll talk about it more with you soon.

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    5. Hi again

      Yeah, I follow. I've done magic, but without the props. Like you said, they're only to make people believe in it. Kind of like a placebo...

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    "The idea of me sensing different universes is all well and good, but how does the dog see them too? That's the sticking point. I'm the one on salvia. Logically, he should not be able to sense anything, even if hypothetically I am actually sensing what it seems that I am sensing.
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    It's possible that the dog is picking up changes in frequency of how you process reality. Maybe the dog is seeing what you're seeing because you are shifting to a parallel world where your dog has the ability to sense what you're sensing.
    Maybe no particular world is totally concrete. Maybe it's all "gelatinous" and bendable. You are bending reality and your dog ( who is linked to you emotionally/mentally) is sensing your bending of reality.

    This can be explained with far-out theories different from the dream theory.

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    1. Not to my satisfaction it can't. I don't give anything away, I don't move, I don't make noise.... he's just not that bright, to do this virtually every single time.
      If I am 'bending reality' which is 'gelatinous and bendable' how is it possible that I can do that with my mind? Why is it gelatinous and bendable? Only answer, the universe is consciousness. That can't happen in a material world. If I 'bend' reality and my dog sees me do it, that means that in a world made up of consciousness, I have disturbed reality enough for him to detect it. How is that really different than what I originally described?

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    2. OK. The universe is consciousness. I have no problem with that. My whole point is that there is a fascinating structure underlying your idea of Communal Worlds and the universe as consciousness. I'm totally ready to believe your main ideas. It's just that I like to focus on the underlying structure. I see the underlying structure while tripping. I'm more into the details than the big idea. I see the trees and not the forest. You should probably focus more on exactly what is happening as that membrane hits your dog. Questions like: Is that membrane part of a larger structure, etc?

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    3. I am very interested to see what would happen if you did this with different animals, or any human who claims even a shred of 'psychic-ness', 'sensitivity' or 'clair-whatever'.
      I've experienced telepathy before, and other 'weird' stuff. I would love to be in the room with you when this happens, however I think you're in a different country.

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    "If we all co-create reality, it logically follows that if one of us suddenly alters their expectations of said reality on such a basic level that it alters their contribution to the dream itself, produces a "ripple" in the communal dream, a subtle distortion of the gestalt experience, that would be the kind of thing that hypothetically a dog might be able to see or at least sense. Or a sleeping person, like all those times that my sleeping wife reacted to it as well. "
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    If the above were true, then there would be many examples of it in the literature. You don't need salvia to distort the dream. Where are all the books throughout history showing how you can manipulate reality by distorting the dream? None of the millions of trippers in the 60s said anything about distorting reality when they were tripping on mescaline and LSD.

    I just don't see any evidence. But I do see some evidence in your report, which is why you might want to consider making your blog a "man and his dog" blog. It sounds weird, but if you believe in what you're saying, then why not? No one on the planet is talking about what you're talking about. I think you might be on to something. If you're not delusional, then you are on to something Big Time. Keep going with it. What we need to do is figure out why your damn dog is picking up on your salvia vibes.

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    1. If the above were true, then there would be many examples of it in the literature.
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      One would think so, I agree. However, as mentioned previously, I have had hallucinations all my life, due to seizures I had as a child. I still have the without the salvia. Just 'static" though. Snow, like on a TV. Or spinning fields of stars. Salvia pumps those up about a hundred notches. So maybe I'm different in some small way. Don't know. All I do know, is that the fucking dog sees something when I do.

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    2. Always had visuals as a child, mainly the static. Used to be able to 'play' with the static as a child. Make it all flow in whatever direction I wanted, it took a while to get going, and it only moved slowly, but it was fun to do when I was punished by being made to stay in my room for ages. I also get little singular lights of different colours. Blue/purple, white, sometimes red. Not very often, and I never noticed those when I was a child.

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    "However, if this is all a communal dreamlike state in which we, all observers, even animals, contribute to the "final product", then a sufficient alteration of my contribution to the experience might hypothetically distort the communal experience enough for another being to sense something amiss. "
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    That is a very mindblowing statement. Your report has a mindblowing component to it.
    I wish there was more evidence of it happening. There probably is, but I don't know where to find it. (I need more than some psuedoscience bullshit)

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    1. I know. It's only us, and a bunch of other people, all of whom are automatically dismissed as druggie crackpots as soon as we open our mouths. Frustrating.

      Listen: I would have never started this blog if the dog and the wife hadn't gotten 'involved.' If it wasn't apparent that somehow they were sensing it when I had certain visions on salvia, I would never have had the motivation to just start a blog of trip reports. I mean, you can find a zillion of those online in one Google search. No, I knew that I was experiencing something one step beyond that. After I got over my mind being totally blown by it (and my wife's mind too, for that matter) I realized that I needed to write about it and communicate to others about it. I thought of a book (I have connections in the world of the 'paranormal' and could get anything that I wrote published) but that never felt right... this wasn't a finished work, this was more of an 'ongoing investigation' So a blog them. And here I am.

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    2. Exactly. A book about a tripper and his dog would be a good read. Even a novel. Or a screenplay. Shit. Even a children's book, if society were enlightened (which they aren't). Not in America, anyway.

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    "This is what I'm coming to. All the quantum physics research that points to multiple realities is a blind alley, or perhaps at best a shadow of the truth cast upon the wall of our dogged insistence upon a belief that all is and must be as it appears to be. It's just what happens when we look at the dream closely enough, in enough detail. Reality, which it so say the Dream of Reality, is merely giving us what we expect it to in that context: Apparent possible explanations for the inexplicable."
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    Salvia exploration doesn't take a back seat to anything, especially quantum mechanics.
    I think an explanation of parallel worlds (as seen from a salvia perspective) can help us understand why your dog senses your trip experiences.
    And parallel worlds can fit into your idea of a communal dream. They can work together without being at odds.

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    1. I agree on that. I definitely seem to sense other 'worlds' or at least something closely resembling them.
      If you'll recall, I've even had the experience of getting a choice; to go to the other world and die in this one, or not. I chose the latter option.

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    "That's it. We're done here. No need to go further into it. It really is just that simple."
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    We are definitely not done here. We're just getting started on our journey. Don't pack up for the exits yet. The game has only just begun.

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    1. I had a feeling that you would say that. That last line, was a joke. Sarcasm. Because it's obviously only the beginning of the process of investigating all of this. It was like "See, I've figure out reality for you all now, feel free to go back about your business..."

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  15. Wow. That was some pretty good interaction. Can you imagine all the inane conversations going on in (let's say the U.S.)?

    Mertyl -- "Ed, go down to the Piggly Wiggly and git me some ointment for the boil on my ass."
    Ed -- "Sure thang, honey. You want me to git a 12 pack a' Pabst?"
    Mertyl -- "Yeah, my ebt card is on the dresser."
    Ed -- "You can't git that with an ebt card."
    Mertyl -- "Shit, yerr right."

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    1. Very good conversation, thanks. And I agree... our society is depressingly pedestrian.

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  16. As to the magic. Sometimes spelled "magick" to differentiate it from stage illusions and legerdemain.
    You recall about my coincidences that started me down this road of changing my belief about reality?
    Well, I tend to analyze shit. So the coincidences got me thinking, if I'm thinking something, usually laughing about it (important) and I hear or see it on television at that moment, and that happens a lot, too much to be just coincidence, then, what's happening? What possible *mechanism* would allow this to happen? So I thought about it and figured that I have a thought, provide it with energy of some kind (laughter, humorous thought) then for some reason there's an "echo" in my reality. This is what led me to start to think that the world is consciousness, btw. So I did a lot of reading and came across magic(k). The real kind, or at least, not the stage magic kind.
    I realized that all it was, was a way of having a CONTROLLED thought, and providing it with the same kind of energy that laughter gives it. Trying to get that thought to "echo" in the reality around us. That's really all it is. All the bells and whistles are props, no meaning except to the "magician." It's an ornate kind of self-hypnosis, to get one's self to BELIEVE that your stated goal will happen. To remove DOUBT. That's what it's for. And many of the mental techniques I've found to be incredibly useful while on salvia, btw. I do magic on salvia too, sometimes. Salvia is like powdered mental energy, good for many purposes.
    This is really nothing more than a form of meditation that is goal-oriented, like maybe think of SUPER-positive thinking. And once you're used to the idea, you can shed a lot of the ritual stuff and make up your own shit. Once you get the principle, a walk down the street can be a 'spell.' (hate that word)

    William Butler Yeats was a magician, a member of the Golden Dawn in England. So were several members of parliament. Famous actors and artists, too. Heard of Aliester Crowley? Originally Golden Dawn too.

    Heck, I even went through a phase where I did a lot of Tarot stuff... great symbols to use in magic, btw. Really, anything that has an emotional significance to the magician can be made into a magical "spell."

    If you read about it, 99 percent of the books out there are absolute crap. So there's that, too. A very high "Flake Factor" too, as I like to call it, which means that magic attracts the nutbags like few other things. Makes it hard to ever be taken seriously if you wanna talk about it.

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  17. Maybe it's not so much 'energy' that is needed, but a clear, un-muddled thought. I think we all tend to not think with incredible clarity most of the time... a very clear thought couple with emotion seems to be the key. You raise the emotion with the ceremonial shit and the props. For example, think of something that you get goosebumps thinking about. Not the scared kind, but the eerie kind. This is energy. So if I were to employ say, the archangel Metatron in a meditation and visualize it as a pillar of enormous force that reaches miles into the sky, I get a touch of goosebumps. Same with say, enochian inscriptions. If you say 'earth, air, fire and water,' that doesn't raise a lot of energy, but if you say it in the legendary language of the angels as transcribed by Sir John Dee and Edward Kelley in Elizabethan times, Enochian, and say "Exarp, Hcoma, Nanta, Bitom!" well, fuck, I just got goosebumps typing that.
    Is it really the language of any angels? I fucking doubt it very much. Especially since I don't believe in angels or devils. But who knows, huh? Maybe the angels that were supposedly communicating the language to them were higher beings of some kind, and lied about what they were. It's fucking eerie, and some of Enochian is even a little scary, like the Watchtower rituals which if properly done are supposed to bring about the end of the world... (I don't do those... lol....)
    I also don't work with demons. Why fuck with negativity, even if you don't believe in it?

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    1. Incidentally, linguists who have analyzed Enochian have said that it has syntax and seems to be if not a real language, a pretty good imitation of one.
      Not bad for two guys that transcribed it backwards while one of them stared into a polished stone.

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    2. Oh, and a little FYI PS:
      John Dee was Queen Elizabeth's personal astrologer. That happened because he visited her in prison when she had little hope of ever getting out, an told her that she would be Queen someday. Since that wound up actually happening, she fucking hired him.

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  18. I don't limit myself to judeochristian imagery, btw. Any pantheon of Gods can be used. I've used Egyptian, Norse, and others. Also there are many other techniques that I've found effective, in particular sigil magic. You create a symbol of your desired goal, and take a while to make it... it can be as simple as a piece of paper that bears symbols representing your goal, superimposed letters for instance, or a pictorial sigil... invest it with a lot of concentration and energy by really working in it, adding in more symbolism, and then "let it go" into the world. In other words, lose it. Discard it. And forget about it. And surprisingly it works, at least it has for me. A lot.

    Her's something that I seriously doubt that you'll believe, but it did happen to me, when I was about 35 and new to all this shit. I spent like three hours making an ornate paper sigil, folded it up into a triangular "football" shape, and as I was driving home later on (on a totally clear day) I threw it out my passenger side window. At the time I was passing a hill on that side of the car. At the moment that I released it, the moment that I threw it out the window, lightning struck the hill. BAM!
    (Now I really have goosebumps remembering that!)

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  19. I just don't see any evidence. But I do see some evidence in your report
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    I've only seen one report, on DrugsForum I think, where there was 'evidence.' The guy had a REALLY fucking bad trip on his first time trying salvia, and then (supposedly) a while later on was watching TV with his sister and saw this ugly angry male face sticking right out of the screen at him, and his sister saw it, too. His sister who hadn't done any salvia.
    Is it true? Well, it sounds like bullshit for sure, but then again, I saw something very, very similar (my "Demiurge) and also, my dog sees my visions, so who the fuck knows?

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      http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1076042&postcount=1

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  20. Do you have anything in a toad broth?
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    Perhaps I can brew something up. Heh heh heh.

    Know why toads are associated with magic? Because an extract from the parotid glands of certain toads was used in magic in medieval times, because it was an hallucinogen.

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  21. By the way, lest you now think that I'm a total flake myself, I have a science background. Amateur naturalist (I'm one of those nature nerds that can tell you the scientific name or at least the genus of most any insect, arachnid, reptile or amphibian that I might encounter) and professionally I am a Graduate Gemologist, gemstone and precious metals expert and fine jewelry appraiser.

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  22. If you're not delusional
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    I am really paranoid about that possibility. I check myself at all times. I'm very much into critical thinking, and not fearing to be wrong, asking myself the hard questions. I really don't think that I'm delusional at all here. Neither does my wife. She's seen the dog acting very disturbed after he's seen something I've hallucinated, and I wake her up fairly often just by my meditations. I often tell her as she awakens "sorry honey, I woke you up on salvia again." She even tells me to not try to fuck with the dog's mind, but I never try to get him to see anything, it just happens.
    I analyze myself all the time, always asking myself if I could be wrong about whatever I think I'm right about. I'm my hardest critic.

    For instance, whenever it happens, when I disturb the dog, I always try to see how it could have been a coincidence or a delusion. If it's either one, it's the coincidence thing, but I actually see the field of distortion, and so I can tell that the dog sees it too. He looks right at it. I can see it approach him, and I see his reaction, as if it were REAL. Over and over. Many times now. That would be a large coincidence, no? And the times that I wake up my wife... I mean, nobody that I've ever met sleeps as soundly as she does. I can literally yell and she won't stir. So it makes it even more hard to accept as a coincidence when she wakes up on cue, or even stirs and talks in her sleep on cue. (On cue meaning when the field touches her, at that precise moment.)

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  23. Gemstones, hunh? I know the perfect place for you. Sedona, Arizona - an upscale, beautiful little community surrounded by sandstone pillars. One problem. It's very expensive.
    Here's a true story:

    I once drove through there on a hot summer's day. I was thinking about moving there, so I decided to check it out. The first thing I noticed were all the stores selling 'crystals' and associated products. I then realized that Sedona was into 'new age' stuff.

    So I bought a post card and wrote a note to a friend about how Sedona might be filled with 'nuts' who are into crystals. So I mail the card and I start to drive out of town. I pull up to a red light with my windows down. As I'm sitting there, a big ass, dust devel is moving up the street perpendicular to the one I was on. The dust devil is totally red from all the red sand stone on the ground. The damn dust devil stops at the intersection ( I kid you not), and hesitates before making a bee-line to my car. Before I can raise my windows, the dust devil sweeps right through my car, depositing about a pound of red sand and crap all over my sweating skin. I knew at that moment that some dark force wanted me the hell out of that town, so I hit the gas and was gone.

    Moral -- don'r make fun of crystals!!!

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  24. Another cool place is Ojai, California. I almost moved there, too. I saw Krishnamurti in Ojai. It's like a Mecca for Theosophists. There's probably some magic going on in Ojai. Maybe not so much now because the baby boomers are dying off.

    That's another story. The young generation is starting to trash baby boomers. They believe the BBers are the reason why America is in debt. Well, I say fuck the young generation. I loved growing up as a BBer.

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  25. I used to go to Tuscon all the time, for their Gem Show, the largest in the world. Hooked up with an Indonesian girl there once. Good times.

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  26. I was one of the first people to hear Terence Mckenna (on the radio) in the 80s. He mailed me a tshirt and a signed copy of one of his books (for a fee). I was on his mailing list for a couple of years. One of the worst mistakes I ever made was never going to one of his weekend retreats. He even had a seminar at UC Santa Barbara, which was only a mile from where I lived. Also at the seminar was Albert Hoffman and about three other heavy weights. I decided not to go. What a fucking retard I was.

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    1. Ouch. I'd regret that, too.

      Hey, didja know that Timothy Leary was a member of the I.O.T., a magical society? As in, he was a magician. So was Robert Anton Wilson, the guy behind a lot of the "Illuminati" conspiracy stuff. Pretty cool.

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  27. Hey, have you ever checked out the Kabbalah? The "Tree-Of-Life?"

    First time I really looked at it, it fucking blew my mind. I remember thinking that it was just about the most brilliant thing that I'd ever encountered. Not for everyone though. If you love words and languages and like details, it draws you in. My wife, who is a Wiccan (solitary practitioner) doesn't like it in the least, but naturally intuitive people usually don't. Naturally logical types can get addicted to it in a heartbeat, if it hits them right. Fucking complex though...

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  28. My 'connection' in the world of the paranormal, who is always begging me to write a book, was a friend and co-researcher of Timothy Leary. Pretty cool, huh?

    Stanley Krippner. I've known him since I was a boy. He's got a slew of books published, teaches in California, and is involved with the Noetic Society, friends with people like Amit Goswami.

    He's so fucking smart it's intimidating. A really fascinating guy.

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  29. Apparently Terrence McKenna was also interested in Kabballah.... And was friends with Leary. I didn't know that.

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  30. http://pacificaradioarchives.org/recording/kz1487

    Hey, they all knew each other! Terrence McKenna, Albert Hoffman, and Stanley! That guy knows everybody, I swear.

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  31. http://www.legendarytimesbooks.com/science-and-the-reenchantment-of-the-cosmos-the-rise-of-the-integral-vision-of-reality.html

    Check out this book. I contributed to it. (I'm the Brian A. ----- listed) (Don't like to post my last name online)(Begins with a "C")

    Stanly and I wrote a chapter and when I got copies of the book, much to my surprise so did Jane fucking Goodall! That was pretty cool.

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  32. I saw Timothy Leary at (of all places) the University of South Carolina. This was around 1980. He was pushing his interest in computers. We all showed up to hear him talk about LSD, but he was beyond that. Sort of like: John Lennon being beyond the Beatles. So he became a house mother.
    Reporter -- "So, John. Why did you write "I am the Walrus"?
    John -- "How the bloody hell do I know? I was fucked up on drugs. But now I'm taking care of Julian while Yoko is recording in the studio."

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  33. Kabbalah. If Madonna was into it, then it must be legit. /s

    I'm not ready to buy into the Kabbalah. I don't trust the Jews' knowledge of deep secrets. They should stick to the melodrama of the Old Testament.

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    1. I studied the Hermetic Kabbalah. Based on the Jewish system but with a slew of other things thrown in.
      If you ever get the chance, check out the Tree Of Life. It's a diagram of ten circles and twenty-two lines that basically represents everything, if you can grok that. That's the amazing part. The rest, meh.

      Here's a good start:
      http://www.digital-brilliance.com/themes/tol.php

      Madonna gives the whole thing a bad name. And I even like Madonna. But she's the worst possible spokesperson for anything serious

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    2. Just as I finished typing that, "Material Girl" came up on the radio.

      See how it works for me? Always coincidences.

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  34. http://www.legendarytimesbooks.com/science-and-the-reenchantment-of-the-cosmos-the-rise-of-the-integral-vision-of-reality.html

    Damn. Now that's impressive. That's something to be proud of. Shit. You really could write your own book.

    I was a lab technician at an endocrinology medical research lab, and my name was under the "we'd like to acknowledge these grunts", but I was never an author.


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  35. Wow, I feel intimidated even more so now. You guys are seasoned veterans. Makes me feel like all I'm doing is child's play :) Great back and forth going on here though.

    I've experienced these things you're discussing myself, although I don't usually talk about them with other people. The knee-jerk reaction of "You're nuts" is almost guaranteed. Especially with witchcraft and magick. Those are the only people I really open up to about my psychedelic use these days, my Wiccan friends. They understand that plants are useful in a lot of ways with spellcraft so they don't see psychedelic plants as some sort of escapist drug seeking.

    Shit burningmouth, I would have loved to see Terence McKenna. I only heard of him just after his death through recordings of his voice on an album I used to love. The same with all those big names you guys are talking about. Lately I've been thinking about my age but I guess I am still pretty young. No offense guys! :) I've always been drawn to the older crowd. I just can't seem to relate to a lot of people my own age.

    Speaking of, I have a friend who is also into the jewelry business. He's a great friend and has really encouraged me to improve musically. He sent me the first flute he ever owned, the thing is older than I am.

    I'm rambling now. Back on topic. I have practiced magick for many years and also have constant coincidences/synchronicities. I've experienced all sorts of strange paranormal things but again, I don't like to discuss them much because people instantly call bullshit and think you're attention grabbing or you're just plain nuts. I did talk about some of it on the old EDOT, I don't know if you remember any of my 'weirder' posts burningmouth.

    Anyhow, this was a great post Brian, and a really refreshing discussion. Still, it doesn't help with my feelings of inadequacy haha :) You guys are an inspiration, however. If I could only drop this fear of judgment and rejection I might actually reach some of that 'potential' everyone says I have.

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  36. Dio -
    Considering all your exploration, you should have experienced many unique things. Don't feel pressured to post anything, though. I've already come to the conclusion that only a handful of people are reading my blog anyway. At least you and St. Brian have something interesting to talk about.

    Oh yeah. Dio and St. Brian. What do you think of ouija boards. Maybe I already asked Dio about them. Ouija boards freak me out, even though I'm not into that sort of stuff.

    How's this. One of you should trip while working a ouija board. There you go Dio. Your first salvia trip post. "The Night I Smoked Salvia While Working a Ouija Board".

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    1. They actually freak me out a little as well. I had one really frightening experience with one when I was fourteen or fifteen. I thought I had some evil spirit attached to me and I kept having all these strange things happen. It was actually one of the things that got me interested in witchcraft. I started with some protection spells and healing work. The strange occurrences slowly went away the more I began using what people would call "white" magick.

      For most people it's just a toy, a fun thing to burn some candles in the dark and freak each other out. I had a very different experience with it and I probably wouldn't touch one again. I think if you believe that they work, that they have power (as I did) it can act as a doorway or an opening for things to come through or attach to you.

      As Brian says, it's all in the belief.

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  37. Ouija boards never interested me in the least. I suppose that if psychic people exist and one of them (or more) were to use a board, something strange might happen. Two or more normal people and all you'll get is their subconscious movements seeming to them as if they were talking to a ghost or whatever. Every time I've ever used one (with others of course) nothing coherent came out of it. You gave me an idea with the ouija board thing though... I need to do a tarot card pull while tripping on salvia.
    Dio, you're a magician too? Small world. Veddy interesting. Any particular kind? I guess I follow the Western Ceremonial tradition with a large dollop of Chaos magic thrown in, and I also just make shit up as I go along a lot. My wife is Wiccan but not a Goddess worshiper... she just finds their philosophy the closest to how she naturally believes. She is great at pulling tarot cards, but I'm a little better at interpreting the spread.... still not great, though. Still a bit too right-brained.

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    1. I've dabbled in a lot of different kinds. Never really identified with one in particular, except perhaps some forms of shamanism. I've had several girlfriends that were Wiccan so I did practice that for a while. Even considered getting serious about it and joining a local coven. But my beliefs are always fluid and changing. It's hard for me to limit myself with one particular set of beliefs.

      I had a tarot deck a while ago but I didn't really get into it much. One of my friends gave it to me and taught me some of it but I just didn't pursue it much. It's still very interesting though. The friend that gave me the deck was very good with tarot. She told me some things she couldn't possibly have known, things I've never told anyone. It was eerie. She works as a psychic now and has a waiting list of about six months for an appointment.

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  38. Here's Saint Brian's Law of Ghosts, Goblins, and Things that go Bump in the Night:

    The probability of a paranormal manifestation appearing to you is in direct linear proportion to how much fear you have of one happening.

    You give it the power. It has none of its own. If you're easily terrified, you're a lot more likely to see a ghost.

    Call it an educated guess. One of the things that salvia has taught me

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  39. I'll tell you what would make a great trip report:

    Tripping at the stroke of midnight in a haunted house. Alone.

    I'll leave that to one of you nice people...

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    1. How about seven grams of mushrooms on a full moon in a graveyard? :)

      I did that with a group of friends once.

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  40. Dio, have you ever played music on salvia?

    If you do, record it.

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    1. Sometimes I play little flute or ocarina improv sessions after smoking plain leaf. The extract just immobilizes me and makes my coordination screwed up. I really should get a good microphone to record some stuff though.

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  41. Hellou Salviabrothes. Reading Brian's expirience with membranes. I just almost had an WTF!! Moment because in my salvia experiences I have that kind of " travel" to another place.
    Let me tell you that i mostly use plain leaf. Because i think i am very sensitive to salvia.
    Once I took a pinch of plain leaf put it on a metal pipe and burnit the next thing is that I was strugling with a sort of rubber membrane, triying to get trough it, and suddenly there it was for a moment, no more than a minute I saw and was in a kitchen, a family was haveing dinner, there was the father the mother, a baby in its special chair and two other kids.
    They were looking at me in a kind of surprise like they were looking a gost, and then I was back in this reality
    What I find interesting is that the look of the place the people was like in the 50's or 60's kind , even the refrigerator was one of those with rounded edges and there also was an old radio there.
    On another salvia sesion I could not get pass the membrane but i could hear the conversation of i think two people talking about some things related to cattle transport.
    Well this is some things that had happened when the "universe " is aligned, other times nothing hapens or the experiences are more personal
    saludos.

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  42. Hello Salviastories, and welcome. That is fascinating. The 50's?

    Is it possible that some of these 'other universes' are past ones? I've considered the possibility, but yours is the first report of actually seeing one like that.

    Good to hear from a new person... don't be a stranger, brother!

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  43. 1950's suburbia is something I've experienced so many times, and others as well. I don't know what's with that but I've read it from several different people so I think there's something to it. I'm not sure if it's an actual moment from the past though. The scenery is 50's like, but not exactly the same. Although I have had what were like past life experiences with Salvia before. Really intense and vivid, as if I was actually reliving a memory. One that really stuck with me, I remember every detail, was in the middle ages. I could smell smoke and feel the wind. Everything looked very much like our everyday reality would. No fractals or strange hallucinatory type stuff.

    Here's something a member from The Nexus wrote about Salvia. I have it as my signature. It really hits on the main themes of the Salvia experience, which includes 50's suburbia.

    Written by gibran2:
    "Homecoming, family, impish children singing, a circus, physical transformation, physical blossoming, loss of self, 1950’s suburbia, green grass, blue skies, turning into a tent, all of reality becoming a 2-dimensional sheet, layers of reality, seeing neighboring realities that are just a millimeter away from ours, truths revealed and then quickly hidden, a carnival, paranoia – realizing everyone else “knows”, physically turning inside-out, a whole world made of tiles or blocks, emotional flatness, feeling you could stay “there” if you made the choice, true home, disappointment with this “plain” reality on return, multi-dimensional…"

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    1. I get that circus/carnival tent experience almost every time I use extract. The only thing I would add to his description would be what I like to call "the Salvinorin wave" or rolling.

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  44. 1950's suburbia is, for Caucasians, the "Halcyon Days of Yore." Even those of us that know better subconsciously long for 'simpler times,' and the "Father Knows Best/Leave it to Beaver" days represent that to many of us. Perhaps that's it? Dunno...

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  45. The Beav -- "Hey. Watcha doin'?"
    Eddie -- "Don't bother us, squirt. We're busy."
    Wally -- "Yeah, Beav. Beat it. Go play or somethin.'"
    The Beav -- "What's this?"
    (Beaver picks up a pipe containing a green substance)
    Eddie -- "Hey, don't smoke that!"
    (Beaver takes a long hit)
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    (Sounds of rustling in the kitchen)
    Mrs. Cleaver -- "Boys, lunch is ready. I made a sandwich for you too, Eddie."
    Eddie -- "Thank you Mrs. Cleaver....Wally, what's wrong with the kid?"
    (Beaver is rolling on the floor making grunting noises)
    Wally -- "Oh, no. My dad is going to kill me. Eddie, where are you going?"
    (Eddie has raised the window and is reaching out to a tree branch)
    Eddie -- "You can have the rest of the salvia, Wally. I'm not hanging around."
    The Beav -- "Wally, why does Eddie have six heads?"

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  46. Well, I tried the 100X last night. Very good results. Excellent, even.

    I was using 50X and so I decided to use not half the amount, but even less to start with, perhaps one fifth of the amount that I was using. So I put this teeny tiny amount in my pipe, smoked it, no irritation to the lungs whatsoever because it was such a small amount to smoke, and then WOW, it almost made me trip out! If I'd used that amount of the old 50X I would have been able to drive to the store and back, there would have been so little effect. So then I used almost half the old amount, a minor tripping, very pleasant, better somehow than the old brand, and definitely more of an effect than if I'd used double that amount of the 50. So the gist is, it's a lot STRONGER than the old 50, even when using less than half the amount, and more pleasant, and much less coughing later on... I had a bit of a cold so I didn't want to actually trip anyhow, but I feel better today so I think I'll try a bit more tonight. I'm very satisfied with it.

    If anybody's interested, I got the new stuff from SalviaMonster.com. They seem to have better extracts, or at least, very good ones... I'm a satisfied customer!

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    1. To clarify, the old 50X (from a different company) was, I think, not very strong, even if I compare it to half the amount of the new 100X. It seems more like 5X or 10X at the most.
      I used such a tiny amount last night and still got an effect... I mean, like ten *granules* of the 100, and hell, it was niiiiice. At that rate one gram will last me a lot longer than two grams of the 50. A very long time.

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  47. I should mention that when I decided to use higher strength extracts (due to having to smoke less, hence less lung irritation) I purchased a spatula-tipped tweezer online. Tiny flat ends that flare out a bit. So I really use tiny amounts.

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  48. Hello again salviabrothers, i am lost with the references mentioned, i am not from the us so this is strange jajaa. Are those cartoons or comics?

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  49. Ah.

    Those were old black-and-white television series (real actors, not cartoons) from the 1950's. I was born in 1961 so I watched the re-runs all the time as a boy.

    Where are you from, SS?

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  50. Ah ok i get it.
    I am from Guadalajara, Mexico.
    Jajaja is a kind of LOL 😆
    Btw I was born in 1971.
    Saludos.
    P. S. Have you had salvia experiences related to death?

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  51. Por supuesto, Amigo. Con salvia La Muerte es un amigo viejo. Muchas veces lo he encontrado.

    Yes, in other (more familiar) words. Once I had a vision where I saw my right hand holding a paper, looked like an official document, and I tried to read it but it was a little out of focus, and when I tried to focus on it to read it, as it started to come into focus, I felt my heart beating rapidly, as if in order to read it, I had to "go there" and if I went there, I would die here.

    Another time I saw this glowing "stream" of some substance flowing in my mind, and I tried to slow it down, to affect the flow, and when I did, my heart once again skipped a beat or two, so I stopped, and it was fine. So I tried it again, and same result. I thought of it as my "flow of life energy" and so fooling around with it was not a good idea.

    We all have had such experiences, it seems. I think Burningmouth gets this a lot. It's as if we're not meant to know certain things, and when we try to 'see' them ,the heart reacts to it, tells us "NO!"

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  52. I started thinking about our place in space and time. I began wondering about all those 50s and 60s themed salvia trips.

    A guy wearing a suit and tie mows his lawn while his wife in a dress carries out a tray of margaritas. The efficient, push powered mower moves along; its sharpened blades replicating into bacterialized peoploids.

    Gelatinous, rotating lawn mower blades churning away the suburban detritus while encased inside a semi transparent, two dimensional 1950s Earth world. One cut and sliced 1950s Earth world adjoining millions of other Earth worlds spanning around in circular motions like lawn mower blades.

    And then I thought about how we might evolve in the future. McKenna could have been right when he said human consciousness would eventually become exterior to the human body.

    A Master World of Consciousness mapped by futuristic, computer generated imagery. Computer holograms painting whatever the human mind could visualize. Holograms of peoploid membranes rolling over and over like waves and waves of lawn mower blades.

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  53. "So I asked myself, what *would* the dog be able to sense? What kind of disturbance could I hypothetically create in my room that a dog can see, just by me seeing it?"

    I have had a similar experience with a cat. She would seem agitated, perhaps sensing something out of place.

    Also during a certain period my expansion of consciousness attracted a stray cat. This cat would constantly just show up each time I was using Salvia and reaching deeper states of awareness.

    It does not end there, I have also sensed others around me can somehow secretly sense what I'm doing and would directly interrupt my Salvia process. I think it has to do with our inter-connectedness, the One consciousness playing through all.

    I look forward to reading more of your experiences. I am still exploring with Salvia and have 100+ experiences which you can find on my blog http://unchartedjourney.blogspot.co.uk

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    1. I think it has to do with our inter-connectedness, the One consciousness playing through all.
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      I agree. That's pretty much the same thing as my 'distortions in the communal dream', isn't it?

      That's really the only thing that it can be, as far as I can tell.

      I mean, I suppose that you could posit that the salvia causes me to become 'psychic' for a short time and that affects the cat, but it's my humble opinion that any psychic phenomenon happening requires a Universe where consciousness is the ground of all being in the first place. So same thing, really.

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  54. Thank you Jasmine, and that makes me feel a tiny bit less crazy. Nice to hear I'm not the only one with the animals thing. Very interesting.

    Going to your blog right now...

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  55. Wow. You sure cover a lot of shit, don't you? I left one comment on one of your salvia experience posts.

    Been doing this for a while, eh?

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  56. One time months ago in the middle of the night I woke up my wife and my dog with one of my salvia visions, and later on I found out that at the same exact time as that was happening in my bedroom, down the hall my 22 year old son's cat went kinda nuts, meowing loudly a lot for 'no reason'.

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  57. The only thing I would add to his description would be what I like to call "the Salvinorin wave" or rolling.
    -Dioxippus
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    I just caught this from a while back. Dio, please define 'the Salvinorin Wave' for us. I think I get it too.

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  58. I won't speak for Dio, but for me the salvia wave is how salvia reality (the alien nature of the salvia trip) rolls into our physical world by way of the tripper's mind or consciousness.

    The "I've been here before" accompanies the salvia wave. Look at it this way: The salvia wave is the leading wave emanating from the sea of Salvia Consciousness.

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  59. What does that feel like to you, though? (and to Dio, for that matter)

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    1. Is it a physical sensation or a physical one or both or what exactly?

      I'm kinda trying to get an idea of common salvia experiences. Common as in, most if not all users of salvia have them.

      How about trying to list them somewhere? I can put a list on my blog here somewhere and we can add to it as needed.

      Might be a useful thing to ponder.

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    2. Is the "Wave" the initial head/body rush as it takes effect?

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  60. Wow Jasmine, that's a great blog you have there. That'll keep me occupied for the next little while :) Just the Salvia experiences alone, not to mention all the other interesting stuff. Do you only quid the leaves or do you smoke as well?

    I'm pretty sure I mentioned the couple experiences I had with my cats before. It wasn't with Salvia but it was definitely affecting the cat in a real way. Like she could see what I was seeing, and was actually avoiding a fractal that was intersecting a wall. She stared at it, perplexed, and then walked all the way around to avoid it.

    The Salvinorin Wave. Yes. It's as burningmouth describes. It's the unfolding of Salvia reality into consensus reality. It's the familiarity feeling, but also the pulling/pushing gravity feeling, like being sucked down in an undertow or surfing the crest of a wave. I'll often actually see it, a typhoon of Salvia consciousness that crashes into my being and pushes me inside out like a blooming flower into the Salvia experience.

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    1. Only quid but have smoked it a few times. The animal awareness is quite interesting. I actually want to experiment with this but not with the cat.

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  61. quote:
    "Is it a physical sensation or a physical one or both or what exactly? "

    Hmmmm. For me it's just an acknowledgement that salvia reality truly exists. It's a feeling more than a physical sensation. I've had physical sensations, but I don't associate them with the wave. The wave is salvia reality as a parallel world rolling into my consciousness. It's the beyond a doubt realization that this salvia shit isn't a delusion, but is a fact.

    The wave is composed of 'things'. I can't describe them unless I'm tripping. The wave is technologically advanced in the way an art form can be advanced.

    Common motifs:
    zipper effect
    wheels
    waves
    interconnecting peoploids
    one image replicating into multitude of identical images
    ROTATION
    some people report red bricks in houses
    being pulled
    being taken somewhere by 'beings'
    elves - smelves
    lady salvia
    tunnels
    little people building things or fixing mistakes
    pin pricks on skin
    gears - sprockets
    two dimensions

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  62. Common Experiences:

    How about "passing through membranes that seem to be borders of alternate planes?"

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  63. The Cosmic Grindstone.

    A large wheel-like thing, high as the sky, that is about to grind you into molecules... and then it does!

    (this one is always accompanied by a lot of apprehension)

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  64. Holy Shit!

    I just realized something!

    When I was a child I had a terrifying recurring dream... had it all the time. Used to scare the living shit out of me on a regular basis.

    It was this pastoral scene, farmland and meadows, a few trees, and a farmhouse in the distance. Then this GIANT WHEEL came into view. It used to remind me of a gigantic circular saw blade, only wider. It would come into the scene from the right-hand side, and crush the farmhouse into splinters, and then *it would slowly turn toward me and start to advance.*

    Whoa..

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  65. I'd say that I see the giant wheel on salvia because I used to have nightmares about it, but other people have seen this one too while on salvia. I've seen it several times in trip reports.

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  66. Common Experiences: the realization that we're not real, just some fictional characters. Usually the highlight of my trips. Not sure if this one is common, but I imagine using salvia eventually reveals this.

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  67. Fictional characters. Interesting you should use those words.

    A couple of times I had this flash of a revelation that this reality *somehow* is, well... words fail here, but the best way that I can put it is that this reality is "story" based. As in, it's a story, always a story, and we're all expecting *the next thing* whatever that is, whatever is about to happen next, in the very next second or minute or hour or whatever, and it is those expectations that drive the story. It would follow then that all realities are also stories, "story-based" planes of existence. Nothing is actually real in any sense that we normally think of as something being a real thing. It's all just the story.

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    1. By story, what I mean to connote is the sense that each moment in our experience is the result of our expectations of what comes next *in the plot.*

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    2. I guess the thing that I mean to convey the most about the idea of a "story-based reality" is that the most real thing about it, is the story, and not the perceived reality. It's like this is a virtual reality story and we're just here playing roles. Only no computer required to run this Matrix, it's the natural state of reality.

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  68. I'd say that the realization that our lives here on Earth that we think of as our real lives is a total mirage, just a fleeting dream, is definitely one of the *most* common salvia experiences.

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  69. People will always say to me when I talk like that, when I talk of the idea that reality gives us what we expect it to on a deep subconscious level, that it's hogwash, because if that were true we could just decide to expect whatever it is that we want and we'd get it. They fail to see that when I say "our expectations" that first of all they're not our conscious expectations so we can't easily control them, and second of all that our deepest FEARS also count as our expectations. That second part is a doozy.

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  70. Oh, and the third thing is that this is a consensual reality with other people with other expectations in it.

    So there's that.

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  71. Hello salvia brothers i agreWith Jasmine some times i get that vision of the fake reality but i get it as if this reality is a dream and i am about to wake up to te real reality. Or some times i get it like if i was in a coma and about to get out of it with s great expectation of the ones waiting for me to wake up.

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  72. quote:
    A couple of times I had this flash of a revelation that this reality *somehow* is, well... words fail here, but the best way that I can put it is that this reality is "story" based. As in, it's a story, always a story, and we're all expecting *the next thing* whatever that is, whatever is about to happen next, in the very next second or minute or hour or whatever, and it is those expectations that drive the story. It would follow then that all realities are also stories, "story-based" planes of existence. Nothing is actually real in any sense that we normally think of as something being a real thing. It's all just the story."

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    This would be a great idea for a new post. This is something we should explore.

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    1. As in your new post. Your blog is comment rich.

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    2. Your blog is comment rich.
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      I try to encourage that. I want a discussion, not a platform to show off my experiences. Also, I talk a lot, so more than half the comments are mine.

      Very glad to see two new "faces" here, as in Salviastories and Jasmine.
      Makes the conversation even more interesting.

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  73. Do any of you know what is real though? I read some of your old posts burningmouth, and have read a few of your stuff st. Brian. One of you are showing through my salvia experience.

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  74. One of you are showing through my salvia experience.
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    I do not fully understand this sentence, Jasmine. One of us is in your salvia experience? Huh?

    Do I know what is real? Not really. I just know what is unreal, as in, this reality that we think of as real, is not.
    By that definition, I'd guess that nothing is real. I might also guess that while nothing is real, that there might be planes of existence that are "higher planes" than this one, closer to the 'source' or whatever, and higher beings residing therein. Just a guess, though.

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  75. Sorry for the confusion.

    I wrote that under the effects of Salvia. Something very unusual happened in my latest experience. It felt like someone who may have been reading my blog just showed up as if waiting. At first I had the odd sense that it was someone from your blog - either you or burningmouth.

    You are not capable of doing this are you?

    I know burningmouth has had this happen before.

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  76. Maybe this is another common experience: death threats.

    I got this a few times - when I went against 'their' wishes and revealed something that was not quite the secret but something very significant 'they' wanted me to exit the game. It was nothing ever malicious though, more like a friendly warning.

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    1. I'm plagued by this constantly at this point. Salvia reality has begun to intrude on my lucid dream state and even in waking reality (now I sound really insane).

      I've been writing about 'the secret' and really trying to flesh out this whole idea by pouring over old journals and other writings. I've been deconstructing the experience, so to speak. And either Salvia reality is real, and the beings are furious with me, and/or my own psyche is desperately warning me away from divulging these things.

      I've had this happen before, but never to such an extent. It's really becoming like some creepy horror movie in a way. The friendly warnings were ignored, and now they've become pretty forceful that I CANNOT be allowed to delve any deeper, to speak about these things.

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    2. It would seem that it is at least not an uncommon theme.

      Strange, eh?

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    3. Beyond strange at this point. As if someone, or something, is actively discouraging me from getting to the root of these things. To the point of threats and intimidation. It just convinces me more of the notion that Salvia reality is in fact a very real place, not just some compartmentalized portion of our minds.

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  77. Not to my knowledge, I'm not. I was not tripping today.

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  78. NEW POST IS UP!

    El Neuvo Posto Esto Uppo....

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